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Prophecy is a funny thing and often shouldn't be taken at face value. Kratos did die, at least the Kratos he used to be. The angry, vengeful and closed off man terrified of his own nature and focused soley on whatever objective he needed to complete died long ago. In his place stands a new Kratos, a man who might even feel himself worthy to be called a god and take pride in his title and position, one day. He's a new man and in that sense he did die by allowing himself to forgive himself and move on from his past, becoming a new man.
I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING FOR THE FIRST TIME ABOUT THE DEATH OF ODIN SCENE! As Kratos enters the scene and takes Odin's soul, and the power to kill him, his "dark theme" plays (the theme that plays when he acts out of negative emotion). When he lets go of it, it transfers to Freya, and gives this really cool effect of each character's demons represented in musical form. She lets go, the music changes to her brighter theme, and then Sindri takes it, with the full force of his dark music, and destroys it. Bear and the writers wrote the demons and choices into the music. This is so hype.
Replaying 2018 and then this there are so many payoffs and callbacks such as Freya being freed and kratos saying “no need to apologize…not for that” calls back to when she helps Atreus and says the same thing to kratos, or the we must be better into “today we will be better” ❤ these games are masterpieces
The first game was Kratos learning how to accept his past mistakes and forgive himself. in ragnarok, his new found growth is put to the test. has he really grown… to the point where he won't find himself making new ones.
11:30 When you think about it, the prophecy wasn’t wrong: Kratos did die at the hands of Thor, and then Atreus went on to join Odin. It’s just that right after the former, Thor revived Kratos with Mjolnir’s electricity. A prophecy that may have been misinterpreted, it was.
The part where thor said, i fucked up, reminds me of when i was battling addiction myself. As with any recovery, relapse does happen, but in talking to a therapist and doing some reading, there is one thing they all had in common when it came to relapse, and they said, “it is important to not let this slip, become a slide”. I’m now six years sober, and feel better, and healthier than i ever have.
I never liked Sindri what he did to Brok was skandalous and blaming Atreus for Broks death was so absurd he needs to take responsibility for his own actions. Kratos and Atreus never asked Sindri for anything Sindri offered help. ✍🏽
Just gotta pop in and say this video, among the others that decorate your channel, are just beautiful. you have such strong command of your words and the ways you weave them to pose a new perspective on a story I thought I couldnt love any more than I already do… thank you fatbrett.
I agree that the climax, except for the Thor and Odin fights, was rushed and didn't deliver on what could've been great scenes with the recruiting of the denizens of the other realms as well as the rhe actual war being underwhelming.
Ragnarok is also about letting things go. Kratos letting Atreus go and make his own path. Freya letting go off her need or thirst for revenge. Thor letting go his believes and dependency on Odin and his addiction to alcohol. Atreus not letting go his obsession on Tyr and leading to Broks Death. Sindri not being able to let go Brok which led to him denying Brok an afterlife. Odin not letting go his need to know all he can and control everything
Okay. I wouldn't normally correct this because the thing about parables is ideally they're stories you understand from different angles throughout your life and they're a reference point as you gain life experience. But, it's an incredibly prescient fable, doubly so if it was an accident. Because, quite honestly, young Kratos would take the scorpion at its word, it is in its nature to sting and kill with no regard to its own safety, do unto others before they can do unto you. This more adult Kratos would understand that the Scorpion knows how to sting and it's scared, so it lashes out, causing irrevocable harm to everyone. The lesson of the scorpion and the frog is it's easy to cause harm when it's all you know or when you're hurting or scared, it's learning when and when not to lash out that's difficult. Boiling it down to "it's in my nature" is a snappy quote but it's not the lesson of the parable.
Imagine if Thor had lived and became an ally of Kratos. I want a scene of Kratos telling Thor about his first family and how he was manipulated into murdering them. It would aid Thor and it would be cathartic for Kratos.
I think in Ragnarok characters were too emotional and more human-like. not the gods we used to see in previous games, they had much similar earthly problems, being drunk, having bad family relationships. these made the game small and it's world shrunk down. I wish we could be able to see a greatness of being a god not just some people with extraordinary powers.
My thing with the Brok spear blessing scene is for that entire excursion Brok is trying to explain the way Dwarvern magic works to Kratos and Mimir. Kratos being Kratos he doesn't really say anything and Mimi is really struggling to grasp the nature over form magic of intangibles Brok is trying to describe. When Kratos asks for the blessing of a great Blacksmith and feeds the logic of dwarvern magic back to Brok its clear that he was both listening and understood what Brok was trying to explain. I think thats why it Gives Brok such a lift. Its not just nice words but proof that Kratos cares enough about brok to really listen and understand him when hes talking about such an important part of what it means to be a dwarve in this setting
I think Kratos' final scene looking at his prophecy perfectly encompasses all his growth to that point. He is hit so hard by the fact that he finally, thankfully, managed to change. He managed to be better. In the past he mever sought or accepted worship. He wasnt looking for it. He wanted to be better, and that is all he needed to feel complete. Finally, it feels like he maybe, just maybe made up for the monster he was. He was not sorry, he was better.
Where Last of Us 2 failed, GoWR succeeded. They wrote all of the characters so fucking well and really knew how to tell a story of how revenge/vengeance is bad.
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Prophecy is a funny thing and often shouldn't be taken at face value. Kratos did die, at least the Kratos he used to be. The angry, vengeful and closed off man terrified of his own nature and focused soley on whatever objective he needed to complete died long ago. In his place stands a new Kratos, a man who might even feel himself worthy to be called a god and take pride in his title and position, one day. He's a new man and in that sense he did die by allowing himself to forgive himself and move on from his past, becoming a new man.
I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING FOR THE FIRST TIME ABOUT THE DEATH OF ODIN SCENE! As Kratos enters the scene and takes Odin's soul, and the power to kill him, his "dark theme" plays (the theme that plays when he acts out of negative emotion). When he lets go of it, it transfers to Freya, and gives this really cool effect of each character's demons represented in musical form. She lets go, the music changes to her brighter theme, and then Sindri takes it, with the full force of his dark music, and destroys it. Bear and the writers wrote the demons and choices into the music. This is so hype.
Kratos actually tells Atreus the story of the Scorpion and the Frog in GoW 4. It's really good.
One detail about this game I love is the fact that Kratos challenged fate in the Greek saga and does it again here
Beautiful essay. Just finished this game. To say I’m moved is an understatement
Replaying 2018 and then this there are so many payoffs and callbacks such as Freya being freed and kratos saying “no need to apologize…not for that” calls back to when she helps Atreus and says the same thing to kratos, or the we must be better into “today we will be better” ❤ these games are masterpieces
askAfter playing the DLC I have come to the conclusion that Kratos is no longer the god of war but the god of hope. And hope is the theme of the game.
The first game was Kratos learning how to accept his past mistakes and forgive himself. in ragnarok, his new found growth is put to the test. has he really grown… to the point where he won't find himself making new ones.
What a movie it would have been if it was a movie
11:30 When you think about it, the prophecy wasn’t wrong: Kratos did die at the hands of Thor, and then Atreus went on to join Odin. It’s just that right after the former, Thor revived Kratos with Mjolnir’s electricity. A prophecy that may have been misinterpreted, it was.
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The part where thor said, i fucked up, reminds me of when i was battling addiction myself. As with any recovery, relapse does happen, but in talking to a therapist and doing some reading, there is one thing they all had in common when it came to relapse, and they said, “it is important to not let this slip, become a slide”. I’m now six years sober, and feel better, and healthier than i ever have.
rod of war gagnagok
I like the direction of the game I just miss how brutal kratos kills used to be
I never liked Sindri what he did to Brok was skandalous and blaming Atreus for Broks death was so absurd he needs to take responsibility for his own actions. Kratos and Atreus never asked Sindri for anything Sindri offered help. ✍🏽
Just gotta pop in and say this video, among the others that decorate your channel, are just beautiful. you have such strong command of your words and the ways you weave them to pose a new perspective on a story I thought I couldnt love any more than I already do… thank you fatbrett.
I’m a scorpion bro! LMAOOOOO
"Lol." Replied Odin. "Lmao."
When did we all suddenly forget how to pronounce eacape? Its not exscape, there is no X
I agree that the climax, except for the Thor and Odin fights, was rushed and didn't deliver on what could've been great scenes with the recruiting of the denizens of the other realms as well as the rhe actual war being underwhelming.
12:57
"But now, we shall both surely drown!" said the frog.
"lol" said the scorpion, "LMAO"
Ragnarok is also about letting things go.
Kratos letting Atreus go and make his own path.
Freya letting go off her need or thirst for revenge.
Thor letting go his believes and dependency on Odin and his addiction to alcohol.
Atreus not letting go his obsession on Tyr and leading to Broks Death.
Sindri not being able to let go Brok which led to him denying Brok an afterlife.
Odin not letting go his need to know all he can and control everything
This aged well especially with the new DLC highlighting what you said
Are we all going to ignore he misspelled Angles with angels?
Okay. I wouldn't normally correct this because the thing about parables is ideally they're stories you understand from different angles throughout your life and they're a reference point as you gain life experience. But, it's an incredibly prescient fable, doubly so if it was an accident. Because, quite honestly, young Kratos would take the scorpion at its word, it is in its nature to sting and kill with no regard to its own safety, do unto others before they can do unto you. This more adult Kratos would understand that the Scorpion knows how to sting and it's scared, so it lashes out, causing irrevocable harm to everyone. The lesson of the scorpion and the frog is it's easy to cause harm when it's all you know or when you're hurting or scared, it's learning when and when not to lash out that's difficult. Boiling it down to "it's in my nature" is a snappy quote but it's not the lesson of the parable.
Angel?
Just found your channel yesterday and I love it!
I wish the writing for the rest of the cast would have been as good as it was for Sindri.
Imagine if Thor had lived and became an ally of Kratos. I want a scene of Kratos telling Thor about his first family and how he was manipulated into murdering them. It would aid Thor and it would be cathartic for Kratos.
I think in Ragnarok characters were too emotional and more human-like. not the gods we used to see in previous games, they had much similar earthly problems, being drunk, having bad family relationships. these made the game small and it's world shrunk down. I wish we could be able to see a greatness of being a god not just some people with extraordinary powers.
What's the name of the song from the background???
My thing with the Brok spear blessing scene is for that entire excursion Brok is trying to explain the way Dwarvern magic works to Kratos and Mimir. Kratos being Kratos he doesn't really say anything and Mimi is really struggling to grasp the nature over form magic of intangibles Brok is trying to describe. When Kratos asks for the blessing of a great Blacksmith and feeds the logic of dwarvern magic back to Brok its clear that he was both listening and understood what Brok was trying to explain. I think thats why it Gives Brok such a lift. Its not just nice words but proof that Kratos cares enough about brok to really listen and understand him when hes talking about such an important part of what it means to be a dwarve in this setting
I think Kratos' final scene looking at his prophecy perfectly encompasses all his growth to that point. He is hit so hard by the fact that he finally, thankfully, managed to change. He managed to be better. In the past he mever sought or accepted worship. He wasnt looking for it. He wanted to be better, and that is all he needed to feel complete. Finally, it feels like he maybe, just maybe made up for the monster he was. He was not sorry, he was better.
Where Last of Us 2 failed, GoWR succeeded. They wrote all of the characters so fucking well and really knew how to tell a story of how revenge/vengeance is bad.