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shoutout to channel member joseph solomon as well!! this video was made before you joined our lil squad here, but thank you so much, and welcome!! you’ll be included in next video’s shoutout!!
I accaully used to use a paper and pencil for my art, and omg, it's difficult, so i moved on to digital art it fits me more and i can get many udeas more likely than anytime doing traditional!
I think it's real art, but if you do traditional art that's more profitable I think because people would want like a real painting more than a digital print. If you're going a fine art route.
If you're just doing digital to work for the entertainment industry, then that's a different thing. You're not really making art for yourself. You're doing it for the company that you're working for and you're not really going to sell any of it. You're just creating stuff for an IP
I grew up drawing all the time, my parents called me a chronic sketcher, but as the years went on and life got busier I kinda set it aside, other things came and went, yada yada. I always sketched a little bit, but never as much as when I was a kid. But about a year ago, I got an iPad Pro, and I have used it almost every day for art. My buddy showed me procreate on his iPad, told me it was only $12, and I couldn’t believe it. So many possibilities in one $12 app. I was suddenly into art again in a big way, watching YouTube tutorials and sketching things again almost every damn day. I’m so thankful for digital art, because it made me fall in love with creating art all over again. I cannot wait to get off work every day, grab my iPad and make/learn something new. Thanks for sharing this video as I just recently had a person tell me this shit when I told them I was getting really stoked on digital art. I’m going to send this to them lol
Hi, I am a art student. I started to get into working 3D alot as my main subjects are sculpture and ceramics.
I began working with blender and making digital art /sculptures.
I was so happy and could make sculptures any place.
One day I shared some of my work with my family.
My ❤ was broken when they told me it's not real art.
The computer did it.
Anyone can do it.
oh I make spread sheets am I making art. No so you are not.
Saying stuff like digital art is worthless.
And I felt worthless.
Don't let anyone take your happiness away.
Art if what you use to create.
While digital art is real art, it's unrealistic to compare it to traditional art in any way shape, or form and should be considered an entirely different kind of art-making. Digital artists like to bring up a certain argument saying "Art has a definition and digital art fits within it.", which in my opinion is invalid. You see, the most accurate definition of art and the one found in most dictionaries is <<Art is the expression of ideas and emotions through a physical medium>>. So then by definition, AI art is included too, as the user suggests an idea or perhaps an emotion resulting in the AI making a "physical medium" of the ideas and emotions expressed by the user. So that point is obviously invalid. Another argument I see being made is that rulers, white paint etc. are the same as the undo button??? For anyone that has ever tried sketching, painting, etc. they know that rubbers leave ugly marks and paint to cover up even when using special material worsens the quality of the paper etc. to some degree, and even if you manage to erase the mistake made it's a long and annoying process compared to just pressing a button. The last major argument I see being made is that it's just a helpful tool and they compare it to carpentry machines???? Machines for carpentry were made with the sole purpose of making the process faster so they could sell more efficiently, have a better cost-to-product ratio, and overall make the market more profitable, and with time and better machinery they managed to make the product better with machines rather than hand, but digital arts' goal was never to make the experience faster or better but rather just easier, something it accomplished! One excellent point is the fact that while there is amazing art being made here and there by certain artists most digital art can be described as smooth/glowy/oversimplified and cell-shading, while almost every traditional artist has adopted a different art style inspired by artists he idolized in the process of learning and through time of seeing what they prefer. Unfortunately, artists that immediately start their career through digital art don't go through that long learning curve and their art never adopts the uniqueness that makes every piece ✨special✨. For example, I don't want to insult the artist in this video but her art style is literally showcased in most art-based discord servers by hundreds of digital artists while every traditional piece, is different enough one to another managing to give the piece a whole different tone. I have in fact tried digital art, and while I struggled to get the hang of it, I made a drawing considered "good" proportions-wise but not something I was proud of as I pressed the undo button way too many times, didn't mix any colors to get the variants need but instead had a pallet available, and learned from the tutorial showcasing the program I used Instead of learning and bettering myself through the process. So, what is the point I'm trying to make here? I believe no one should disregard the artist because they work digitally, but having that in mind, WE should not put digital and traditional in the same boat. Calling them both art may be factual but a little too general making traditional artists feel cheated on (myself included) when compared to their digital counterparts that have the advantage in almost every way imaginable! So to sum up, digital art REQUIRES skill and fundamentals but NOT to the point where you can compare it to traditional art and even go as far as calling them "basically the same"!!
Yeah, digital art has filters and other functions, but it’s tricky to adjust those filters and use those functions. Shading, blending, and everything is as hard EVEN WITH THOSE FILTERS AND SPECIAL BRUSHES.
0:45 it is significantly easier, and there are ways to do things 10 times faster, but that doesn't take away that digital art is still art
Of all works Ive seen as very beautiful its about 50/50 is its drawn digitally or not. What matters is the result.
Everyone can be digital artists it’s so easy! If you compare to others… they have the same skills as you. Many of us took 3 to 5 hours to finished. WOW!!! Traditional art took 1 to 2 hours… there’s the difference between them.
Multimedia Design and Graphic Design students prefer digital art nowadays. But, it’s rare to find someone you stick to traditional art.
Traditional art is better
I feel like the amount of skill or effort required has no place in the argument for what counts as "real art"
I can't believe people are still saying this in current year
I actually agree with every single minute of this video which is rare since im such a contrarian. It sums up my opinion nicely. Digital is easier but only in the context of some parts of the creation process taking less steps. But if you're just drawing then digital doesn't automatically increase your knowledge of art fundamentals.
Hey guys, a chair made by a machine in a factory isn't a real chair, because it wasn't made by hand!
Not a perfect, one to one comparison in any way, but it amuses me.
all fair points but i raise you
the other eye
The people who hate digital art must be having a tantrum over the new AI art.
As individual who need to create animated pieces that resemble a movie documents. Whether if is a pen, a brush, a piece of clay or a CPU. Those are just mediums.
Honestly, the only people still perpetuating this rhetoric are the same people who are just trying to validate themselves by tearing others down. Philosophically, digital art offers the exact same form of agency as every other form of “high art.” The execution of digital artists is as vast and varied as any other medium. A simple browse through and commissions forum or subreddit would easily demonstrate this lol
Defensive much? Draw better next time.
Digital art is easier so is very thing in this day n age
Digital art programs are tools. Same as a word processor is. The skills someone uses to create the story or art work are the same as they use when sitting at a traditional easel or typewriter. By that argument should all writers only use a quill?
As someone who enjoys writing and is dyslexic word processor programs are an invaluable tool for me. It helps me to correct, and find, the many mistakes I make. I can also say the same about CSP I use to draw. It allows to to easily fix my mistakes. But my eye and artistic skills are what’s needed to find them. Just as my eye and writing skills are needed to know what to change in a story. Both programs make it easier to correct. But with out knowing how a story flows or composition or colour theory or a million other things then your art or story will not be good.
I can’t sit in front of a keyboard click a button and out pops Lord of the Rings. Just as I can’t draw a stick figure click a button and it now looks like a photo realistic portrait.
I am in school right now and I love doing art, digital art, but my art teacher believes that digital art isn’t real art, so I don’t and can’t get any attention for my passion while others do because unlike them I don’t have the money for all of the expensive paints that they use and sometimes I go to bed kinda angry about it, and bottle up my strong opinions on this topic. This video really lifted my spirits knowing that other people can agree.
Correct, I can draw, paint, sculpt in traditional medium professionally 30 years ago, yes, there are techniques to make corrections with layes especially airbrushing. I switched to full digital tool 23 years ago and into 3D that took me 20 years to comprehend the entire production process, if not proficient you cannot make any adjustments to the complex rugged model.
Wait, we have it easy?!? Hell yea.
Both sides should be able to find the good points in both digital art, traditional art, and other forms of art as well. Take what that one other person said about the BBQ, that can be considered a form of art. And whatever kind of art you specialize in, whether it be cooking, woodworking, music, etc. you should always appreciate the better qualities that you use in the way that is most easy to you. It's not that one differing form of art is better than the other, it's that different forms of art have thier pros and cons for each individual person. For example, if one individual found the lasso tool used in digital art to be a good idea, another might think badly of it. But that doesn't mean that the lasso tool is automatically bad or good, because of two separate opinions that had just about nothing to do with each other. Keeping this in mind, some might think badly of traditional art, and others might see it as helpful. This doesn't change the way traditional art is portrayed forever. It just means that two groups of people have separate opinions.
I personally stopped drawing traditional art because I don't always have a small sketchbook on me at all times. I do however always have my phone on me so drawing digital art just made more sense in the long run, it's also how we are moving to be more digital for everything lately, example animation used to be on paper because that's all we had before, but now it's all done digital because it's easier to transfer/put it together. Another reason I switched to digital is because I almost always got my arms or table bumped when I was inking my art. Everyone is different though so I do understand why some people would say this, but saying it as a blanket statement isn't ok.
You so right
whenever somebody tells me "digital art isnt real art because the computer did it for you." i always respond with "traditional art isnt real art because the pencil did it for you."
people be like digital art isn't art couse its easier ,… ever heard of work smarter not harder ?
i-i'm sorry?? what?? like ok i knew people said stuff like that, but like??? i draw both digitally and on paper, and???? idk man i have an easier time with traditional materials then w/ my drawing tablet.
like ok, tbf i was allowed to draw on paper more often than digitally when i was a child,, but i still drew digitally. /gen
idk man i think traditional art might not be real art 🤷♀️ /s
I draw mainly traditionally and am trying to focus on digital. It is not easy. The hand-eye coordination, the physical tools (tablet, stylus pen), and learning how the software works make a hell of a learning curve. Just cause I can undo and redo a stroke a million times doesn't make trying to create any easier. It's much more difficult to gauge what goes where and what does this or that. I'm not even a good artist traditionally. If someone can glue pipe cleaners together and call it art, then so is digital.
I think so many people think that every digital artist has always drawn digitally, which is just sorry, stupid, no child is given an ipad to draw something. We all learned art traditionally, and then at some point switched to digital. And of course we switched, because "it's easier".
It is a well-known fact that artists are lazy (which is a good thing) and search for the easiest solution to make their art. Old roman statues have removable heads, so they could be switched when the old emperor dies. Of course you could say "cheating!" or you could acknowledge that the "work smarter, not harder" mentallity is ALSO used byx artists. And we have every right to work like that.
In my opinion most people that think that way are not artists themselves, most of them are just snobbish enthusiasts, that think they know best, just because they happened to learn a few names of some renesance artists and it gives them right to criticize anything they please
Certain traditional art supplies are easier to use than others in a piece I drew and colored I made even some crayons look smooth & crayola colored pencils I had the SKILLS to do that you can erase pencils easier if you hold them lighter & make lighter marks on your paper that takes SKILLS I did traditional art long before my digital art & around the same time I drew the beautiful picture of a girl with a parasol & kimono the parasol having a pattern of flowers I never messed up I drew a very cursed piece of digital art even with my traditional art skills I had to learn digital art I had to figure out what brushes to use for what & back to my getting crayons & colored pencils with low quality to look smooth it's not near as hard with my high quality colored pencils digital art is just another medium there's even programs that make things easier than others it shouldn't be treated like it's not just another medium & rather some way to cheat at art
I personally think traditional is easier than digital, even with an Apple Pencil and PaperLike screen protector for procreate. I don’t really know why, but I think it’s just how my hand works. I love sketching on paper and in procreate, but I hate shading and doing lineart digitally. I love using microns, copics and paint to color and shade my drawings traditionally. For me it’s easier, but that’s just my personal opinion. I think what you’ve said is completely true, and the fact people even believe / mean this is so frustrating, and I completely agree with you. I’m not gonna say more now because this comment is long enough already, but yeah, just my opinion, have a good day! 🙂 Also, I love the drawing of amber in the outro thing, it’s so damn cute lol
The thing about erasing is, tons of types of artists can completely delete. Like, isn't that just what drafts are in any medium? I've never seen a finished book with original wording chickenscratched out. Imagine, a world where people say "you're not a real author if you don't write by hand every copy of your book like the old great authors" lulul
Anyone who thinks digital art isn't real art, should show us the masterpiece they produced the very first time they opened photoshop.
When I went from traditional art to digital, it was actually overwhelming to learn how to effectively use all of the features. It does make certain things easier, but it adds a whole new level of complexity that takes skill to use.
This channel is so confusing why is there an anime on the lft and speed drawing on the right and who is the one speaking.
I've gotten a lot of "well the computer makes it" and "eh, it's just an app or a filter to make the portrait look like that" or "I can make digital 'art' like that with a filter in five minutes!" grrr. My average hands on time is short– 24 hours.
Who every says this is DUMB Digital art is sooooo hard!!
I've also heard the argument that "digital art isn't in museums" but like– neither is their art–
I always wanted to do art but traditional art was so draining to me I would draw one picture about once or twice a year and then give up, but with digital art I am able to get swept up in the art and just spend hours creating art without even realizing I've spent hours on a piece and even though I've only been doing it for three weeks I have made so much progress already. Digital art made art accessible to me in a way it never was before.
I would argue that digital art is also held to a different standard than traditional art. Mistakes in traditional art are seen as beautiful and human, a representation of the artist. Mistakes in digital art are just mistakes. And the argument that "digital art is boring" kind of implies that all digital artists have the same style. We don't.
I've been a traditional artist since I was 7 years old. I'm 24 now. I've actually tried using an art program and a drawing tablet once eight years ago and even though I knew how to use all the different tools, I just couldn't get a good grasp on the program, so I went back to drawing traditionally (and still continue to) because it's a much familiar and easier format of drawing for me.
"Easier" does not mean easy. And easier isn't bad. Working from a photo reference is easier than working from real life, but it's still freaking hard to do well. Yes, digital art is "easier" because of the tools it affords us in SO MANY WAYS, but that doesn't mean it doesn't require skill. It doesn't matter if I draw an accurate likeness on paper or on my tablet, I need the same skillset for both, I just have more tools for correcting in digital than an eraser.
I do both, digital and traditional and I absolutely see that digital makes a lot of things easier on me, but why is that a bad thing? Why is not doing everything the hardest way possible in art somehow "lesser"? We don't judge a carpenter for using an electric saw vs. a handsaw, right? Like, it's just an electrical tool to make their work easier. Same damned thing with digital art.
I feel like broadly comparing traditional to digital is part of the problem. Digital art is just a different medium in the same way pencil drawing is different from watercolor, or watercolor is different from pastels. I find that a lot of people who have been pretty exclusively digital (In these comments included) disingenuously treat all traditional art like its easy- even though they're not proficient at any traditional medium besides cute little sketchbook doodles. I've tried a broad range of different techniques and mediums with art and digital is just the same in how difficult it is to learn and develop. If you're already good at one, it tends to transfer to the other mediums and give you a leg up-but it's still usually a learning curve regardless.
I'm just getting the vibe from some of these comments(and elsewhere when this topic is discussed) that they're just saying the same thing the video is ranting about, but in reverse. Respect should go both ways bc traditional art isn't easy either. I know some people are merely doing it from a defensive standpoint, but its still not cool.
I started in traditional art and am just now exploring digital in my 20s. Digital art has been both a curse and a blessing to my art life. It's deceptively difficult, and for someone with a strictly traditional background, the learning curve from trad to digital is awfully steep.
But there are things that I can explore in digital that I've never touched in traditional. I was (and still am to some degree) an unconfident artist; I was always anxious to put color in my traditional work for fear of muddying things up or "ruining" a drawing. But I can color happily as a digital artist without this fear bogging me down, and it's done a lot for my art practice and just my general sense of worth as an artist. Very freeing.
i have a question, is there a fullbody of your persona or oc? (i dont know which one you refer to it as) because i really wanna draw it
Digital art is so art that my digital drawings are better than my traditional ones. My characters look ✨ prettier ✨ digitally. I'm so bad at traditional art that they look like they've been ran over by a truck ten times when I try it.
Also the transform tool is my life partner, so StEp BaCk.