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Who would have won the Simon-Ehrlich bet over different decades, and what do long-term prices tell us about resource scarcity?

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In the 1980s, economist Julian Simon won his bet with biologist Paul Ehrlich on material prices. But what does the long-term data tell us about supply and demand for resources?

In 1980, the biologist Paul Ehrlich agreed to a bet with the economist Julian Simon on how the prices of five materials would change over the next decade.

Paul Ehrlich had a clear expectation. He thought population growth would quickly deplete the planet’s resources.1 As a consequence, he expected that the cost of resources — including minerals — would rise steeply as they became more scarce.2

This claim got the attention of Julian Simon, who expected the opposite. Simon thought that human innovation and ingenuity would overcome resource shortages, and the price of resources would, therefore, not rise but fall. In the pages of the Social Science Quarterly, he challenged Ehrlich to put money on the line.

Simon offered Ehrlich the chance to choose any resource he wanted for the bet. Ehrlich chose five: chromium, copper, nickel, tin, and tungsten. The two bet $1,000 — $200 on each metal — on whether inflation-adjusted prices of these resources in September 1990 would be higher or lower than they were in September 1980.3 If prices had increased, Ehrlich would win. If they had fallen, victory would go to Simon.

Here’s a more detailed explanation of how they determined the winner and payout:

  • $200 was placed on each of the five metals individually. So, the total amount at stake was $1,000.
  • The 1980 price of each metal was taken as a baseline.
  • The change in the inflation-adjusted price of each metal was compared in 1990. For example, the price of copper fell by around 24% between 1980 and 1990.
  • They then multiplied the $200 for each metal by its respective price change. So, if the price of copper fell by 24%, Ehrlich owed $48; if it increased by 24%, Simon owed $48.
  • The loss or gain for each metal was then summed up to get the total. If the total basket of metals had increased in price, Ehrlich had to pay. If it decreased, Simon had to pay.
  • The $1,000 basket of metals in 1980 had dropped by $576, which is what Ehrlich owed Simon as the forfeit in the bet.

The chart below shows us the change in the price of the five materials in 1990 compared to 1980. Note that this is based on the average prices that year, not necessarily the price in September of each year. But the final results of the bet are the same, regardless of whether you take annual average prices or those specifically in September.

All five had become cheaper, so Simon won the bet (and Ehrlich did mail him the check).

The cost of tungsten and tin was more than 60% lower. Copper was around 20% cheaper. Nickel and chromium were only slightly cheaper than a decade before. None of them had increased in price, contrary to Ehrlich’s prediction.

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There has been lots of debate about whether Simon “got lucky” with this bet.4

The chart above shows that he got a bit lucky on nickel and chromium. If the bet had ended in 1989 rather than 1990, the price of these two materials would have been higher.

But a more general way to analyze this wager bet is to ask who would have won if it had occurred in any other decade of the 20th and early 21st centuries.

I looked at inflation-adjusted price data — from the United States Geological Survey — for these five materials since 1900. I then calculated who would have won in each decade if they had made a bet on each of the five metals separately.

If the average annual price at the end of a given decade (for example, 1930) were lower than at the beginning (e.g., 1920), then Simon would win that decade. If the price was higher, Ehrlich did.

Have a look at the chart to see the result. The price of all five elements varied quite a bit over time. Look at chromium at the very top, for example. In some decades, the price fell. In others, it went up. Whenever the price was higher at the end of the decade than at the beginning, Ehrlich would have won — those segments of the line I have colored red. Simon would have won when the price fell between the beginning and the end of a decade — the line segments colored blue.

It’s a pretty even split. Simon and Ehrlich would both have won around half the time. But as I’ll explain, I think the long-term data tells us a slightly different story: one that’s more in line with Simon’s worldview than Ehrlich’s.

Chart titled "Who would have won the Simon-Ehrlich wager in any decade since 1900?" showing price trends for chromium, copper, nickel, tin, and tungsten. Simon (blue) bet prices would remain stable or fall, while Ehrlich (red) bet prices would rise. Simon won the 1980s wager. For chromium, Ehrlich would have won in the 1920s-40s; for copper, he would have won in the 1950s-70s; for nickel, he would have won in the 1950s-70s; for tin, he would have won in the 1940s-70s; and for tungsten, he would have won in the 1950s-70s. Prices are in 1998 US$ per tonne, adjusted for inflation. Data from the US Geological Survey.
Who would have won the Simon-Ehrlich wager in any decade since 1900?5

This bet has come to represent a clash of worldviews: are we exhausting the planet of its resources, or can humans effectively respond to scarcity to ensure we don’t run out?

Understanding which of these models of the world is more “correct” matters a lot for my work on sustainability. This motivated me to dig into the data on the Simon-Ehrlich wager in more detail.

But the more I reflected on it, the more it seemed that the original bet didn’t capture Simon and Ehrlich’s contrasting worldviews very well.

Looking at mineral prices over just ten years doesn’t reflect either’s viewpoint.

Ehrlich’s core argument was that human demand would vastly outstrip the planet’s available resources.6 His argument is that prices will increase significantly over the long run as resources get increasingly scarce.

Simon’s viewpoint was that this shouldn’t happen. As resources become scarcer — and prices increase to reflect this — human innovation and changes in supply should respond and bring prices back down.

In other words, both worldviews are about changes in the long run.

Simon, in particular, was very specific about this in his initial claim for the wager: “to stake US$10,000… on my belief that the cost of non-government-controlled raw materials (including grain and oil) will not rise in the long run”. The emphasis is on “in the long run”.

The problem is that Simon and Ehrlich agreed to a bet about short-term changes.

Their decade-long wager was vulnerable to short-term fluctuations, which often had nothing to do with actual changes in physical supply and demand. Instead, they were influenced by geopolitical or temporary economic forces. That means either could have won depending on random year-to-year fluctuations that didn’t reflect their worldview.

A more meaningful test for their arguments is the change in prices over the long run, which is a signal of the trend rather than noise.

With all that in mind, here’s why the long-run data makes me side more with Simon’s view than Ehrlich’s.

Let’s look at the century-long price trends of the five materials again. They’re shown in the chart below.

The key takeaway for me is that, over the long run, prices didn’t change dramatically. A lot has changed since 1900, but the prices of the five metals are, surprisingly, not much different from what they were in 1900. Chromium is, perhaps, the one exception where average prices in the last few decades have been higher than they were in the early 20th century (although prices in 2020 were exactly the same as they were in 1900).

Overall, material values have fluctuated up and down but around a reasonably consistent level. The time series are noisy, but the signal is that prices have not changed much over more than a century.

Studies stretching as far back as 1840 find that mineral prices — across many more than the five below — “have been basically trend-less” over the long term.7

Prices of the five materials included in the Simon-Ehrlich wager from 1900 to 2022

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Crucially, this is despite the fact that the world produces much more of these materials. The chart below shows the change in global production of each of the five materials since 1900.

Today, the world produces 40 times as much copper annually and 250 times as much nickel as it did in 1900.

The fact that we produce far more materials than we did in the past, yet prices have barely changed, suggests that contrary to Ehrlich’s prediction, we’re not close to running out of these materials any time soon. That is what brings me closer to Simon’s worldview.

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Acknowledgments

Many thanks to Max Roser, Simon van Teutem, Saloni Dattani, and Edouard Mathieu for their comments and feedback on this article.

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